Evermore

its a cute picture.

they got a number 1 single, do they really need more promotion?

They make me retch.

I don't think they were ever not sellouts though, I bet they'd have jumped at any chance to show off from the very beginning.

Lol Tedd.

"But you can go to the other extreme in hip-hop videos where they're literally advertising mobile phones in the video or starting their own clothing labels. We're not quite at that level yet."
YET. Gee, it's wonderous they haven't started yet. They should have dropped a whole bunch of Nokia phones on the ground to show how Unbreakable they are and used the in-built torches on the phones for Light Surrounding You.
It's both: they're clever and they're sell-outs. Simple as that. However, I think if they sign up for too many deals they become celebrities, not musicians. Call me a purist, but that's what I think. Selling your music is great... but it should be done on the strength of it being good, not on the strength of it being pushed by Nokia or Virgin or a TV show. I think all of this detracts from their songs and means they're taken less seriously by honest music fans.
I don't understand Dann's point about music being free and the kids thinking that it's free though. They've thought that for a long time and many bands have still managed to survive, and continue to survive, without all this corporate nonsense. That seems a redundant argument.






Why is Tedd in the photo?

well it made them qutie sucessful doing so

added poll question

i dont get the pip for candy question =[

where's the middle ground?

thats the candy option

I voted for the pip! Meaning, I don't really care, the more Evermore the better

And they don't seem to be overpromoting themselves in NZ. And besides, whichever way works for them...if it means more music and more shows then I'm up for that

i don't really care either, i'd still listen to their music no matter if it's in the charts or not, i don't choose what i listen to depending if it's poplar or not

cute picture

it took me a while to notice the dog was in it

doesn't seem like a very 'mans' type dog does it! lol

could u imagine them on celebrity dog school! hahaha oh that would be funny!

I could say something amazingly rude here but I won't.

You're all probably going to hate me for saying this, but I completely agree with the boys. There is too much competition in todays market, too many people out there fighting for the same prize, to not have some form of sponsorship behind you. This is not to say the more sponsorship you have means you automatically make it, but its easier for upcoming bands to have SOMEONE to help pay the bills, and since both parties get promotion out of it, its a win win situation.

This kind of thing is quite common in the local scene in NZ, with smaller companies obviously.

mind out of the gutter please tango

and no i don't hate u eryn. i agree. i mean like they said, the home and away thing wasn't their idea (and why would you! lol) but it worked for them, number 1 single and for the shows cliff hanger.

You and I both know that's rubbish. The more money someone has behind them, the more exposure they get, the more they'll sell. If you have loads of cash behind you, your chances of "making it" increase enourmously. Look at all the people from Australian Idol, for example. Even if they don't genuinely make it to number one, they still make it to number one, simply because the record companies and Channel Ten throw obscene amounts of money behind them to the detriment of decent music.*


*I didn't mind Damien Leith though. Must be because he's Irish.

tis true

Have you ever heard of My Life Story? The band?

They got sponsored by some multi millionaire friend of the family.

But because they're crap, they've not gone anywhere in two years.

So that's one example out of how many successful ones? Money makes the music world go 'round and dictates what a lot of us are exposed to and what a lot of us buy. It's a fact. Yes, there have been corporate failures, but you'll find people won't throw disgusting amounts of money behind something that they think isn't going to work. They make sure it's commercially viable first, thus there's the shift towards the mundane in Evermroe.

i vote for dont care option

Thats one example that you know of. How many are there that we arent aware of? And people arent smart. Something that THEY think is commercially viable isnt always a sentiment echoed by the general public.

This is how things are done now. Shard's right, it shouldnt be an issue.

ahaaaaaaaa there is a dog

*throws popcorn at CvonV*
Pipe down! I was listening to that.
I like hearing both sides of this argument.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

ha. i think seeing as pete and dann both have the black wavy hair, they got tedd so that jon wouldn't feel left out and he'd have someone who has the same curly hair as him . . . .

Oh for fucks sake.

Making music is what they do for a living. It's how they make money to survive.

If you were working in an office and you got offered a raise and a promotion, you fucking take it.

The advertising and such that Evermore receive is much like a promotion in an office job. They're taking what they can and I don't blame them. Being a band these days is about being in a business. And good on them for doing it. Plus, if a big name company shows interest in YOUR band, it's quite a compliment, and definitely something you can take as a "you've made it".

Evermore are still producing quality music, and I'm sure they'd produce the same quality regardless of big name companies and brands showing interest in them or not.

So good on them.

I'm so sick of seeing people throwing the term 'sell out' around.

IF Evermore were taking directions on how to make their music sound, and were being ORDERED AND PAID by huge companies to sound a particular way, and write particular songs, THEN that would be selling out. But that's not how things are going for Evermore.
The advertising is coming AFTER they have put the hard work in and produced CDs.

The sooner people get off their fucking high horses and come back down to reality and stop accusing Evermore of "selling out" the better. This is bullshit.

Support the fucking band for their music, not who funds them. Shunning a band because of support they get from huge companies is similar to selling out yourself. Enjoy the band for their music.

Why the fuck does everyone care that a band they like is getting money for doing what they love? Be happy for them.

And that's my two cents.

Now I should probably go back and read what everyone else has said >_>

shhh i never noticed until someone mentioned it

there's a difference between people recognizing you've done hard work and giving you a raise rather than you trying to tell everyone every day that you've done good work and demanding a raise.



well that's subjective. most of the songs on real life are bland and repetitive, and for me, that's where this whole thing started. i would have less of a problem with the massive adveritising and promotion if they were still producing quality music, because more often than not it's the quality/more "experimental" music that goes unnoticed and could benefit from advertising. but not only have evermore written the kind of songs that would appeal to a lot of people, they feel the need to then constantly shove that into people's faces through advertising and promotions.



It just seems that for Evermore making money / getting noticed has become as important, if not more, as making music. If you truly love making music then the money & fame should come second to it. Yes you have to make some money from your music if you want to eat dinner and etc, but if your music is good that should come naturally, and there's a point at which it becomes greed.
Take for example their recent competition where they pretty much bribed people to buy their single. they offered people this huge prize for the seemingly small act of buying their single. they didn't care about getting the number 1 position through the quality of their music, they just wanted it. and they were already so close, so it's not like it was unfeasible that they would ever get a number 1 single.

I've heard bands say that as long as they have two people who enjoy their music, they'd make it for those people, so why is it that some bands can somehow care more about music than making money and somehow still survive?
and there are plenty of success stories where bands have gotten famous and made money by slowly building up a fanbase through the quality of their music, rather than constantly shoving their music into people's faces. so it's not like advertising is the only way a band can make money and get noticed.

Like Tango said..

amen pez.

and thanks for taking the time to write all that out. I kept starting on writing up my thoughts and was getting too long winded/ "tangenty" etc. so thanks for saving me the trouble.

Yep, team Pez is definitely right. Cait's got some good points, but there's other routes Evermore could take as opposed to accepting whatever deals come along. Case point: Powderfinger. Possibly the biggest Aussie band around in this country.
See, the dangerous thing is the press is much more fickle in other parts of the world. Look at Jet. They took a big iPod deal, they had one big album, and their second one has flopped because the press and the people both grew sick of them. Shame, really. I'm waiting for the same to happen to Wolfmother.

That bloody Ted's a lucky dog!

Nah, I'm the luckiest dog I know... I'm Jon's bitch.

Yeah ok?

tedd has nothing on you.

pip winz

Nah, they're not sellouts, that's the way the music business is these day's, any business in fact, where there's a buck to be made and free advertising to boot - win win!

Is Tedd Jon's dog? It looks like Jon's hand and chin in Tedd's MySpace picture.

Love that photo.

they changed their music to make it more accessable.
sounds like selling out to me.

you obviously only listen to top 40 music where the policy for bands is to advertise and promote themselves as much as possible, as opposed to the many success stories of bands who have gotten famous through the quality of their music, by slowly building up a loyal fanbase.



they changed their music, yes, but did they do it to make it more accessible on purpose? or is it just because they like that kind of music so they just wanted to do it?

(PS. accessible)

lol don't be obsurd. i don't know, and to be honest, i don't really care. i don't like their music anymore, so all this advertising doesn't really bother me.

Can we have our PIP candy now?

there's enough for everyone.

If they don't want to be called sell-outs the next album should be one 80 minute drums-only track.
(Hmm, but maybe that would be selling out to the non-sell-out crew.)

Yuss.

Maybe there should be a poll about which bothers you more about Evermore; the drop in quality of their music, or their constant in-your-faceness from advertising and contests.

I don't know, I have to say that Evermore is the only band that bugs me when I see them on TV and stuff. Maybe that's simply because I've been a member of their forum for close to three years, and it's the only music forum I'm actually a member of.

lol

I think they should become screamo emos. xD.

It sounds like the Aussies are saturated with Evermore, indeed that is not the case for us.

Were not in their situation, so what would we do? I would say that it would be easy for the corporates to take advantage of these guys, but hey they are smart enough to know when to say "NO".

Hopefully their next album will have the same impact as Dreams for us true fans.

Pez I listen to all kinds of music (when I have time). The guys have worked bloody hard to get to where they are now, it was no overnight success.

THEY PUT ADS ON THEIR WEBSITE. I haven't seen a single band site that has ads on it.

I totally ignore the ads, just looked at them, yep, completely big time stuff. This is the only band website I visit. Pez that really changes things for you guys who can REALLY surf the net and see how other band sites operate. Can really appreciate that.

Forget the ads!@

that didnt make sense.

Its incredibly common in NZ, and Ive seen quite a few UK bands with it in the past.

Doesn't make it right. Marketing Visa cards to 14 year old kids. What the freaking hell is that?

tis quite true! back in the day nobody even knew what evermore was, now i see them everywhere! Everyone tells me how awesome they are cause they like LSY and they heard them on that ad!

Absolutely advertising Visa on this site is not a good move. I got my first Visa card at 18, it was a total disaster.

What's the ad they are appearing in? There's no Evermore advertising here.

Dreams was actually a good album.
But then they modified the sound and made it all poppy.
Ew.
And now they're everywhere, playing gigs at events, advertising stoof.
That's not what music's about.

my friend's name is Poppy , just a little fact

*insert raised eyebrow*
Ow, now my forehead hurts.lol.

aww poor em

Blue kumara fritters.

Thats what *I* think.

BLUE Kumara?

i am rather confused

i am rather confused

potato fritter? Yum...

whats a potato fritter?

like a hash brown.. its like a slice of potato in batter.

OH i know what that is, they call them potato scallpos up here

Yes BLUE.

Add food colouring. It makes for an interesting centrepiece.

Didn't think Kumara would take to blue dye too well.
I only thought it went well with bacon. Oo spot the tLotR reference there.

Whats a Kumara?

Maori sweet potato.

hmmm sounds tasty

Yeah, I want Nachos.

I had Nachos! Like an hour ago.

You bastard.

Apparently I make good nachos.

i haven't had nachos in forever! hmmmmm yuuuuumm

i love burnt nachos

that is so unusual

so back on topic...



yeah scallops up here... i remember back when they were like 25c each

I thought scallops were like potato chips but like slices of potato chips.

wedges?

sledges

nooooo, Wedges are fat chips with spices on them.

Do you know what fritz is??

pineapple fritters from red rooster? so cut at them for getting rid of the banana ones :@

fritz is processed meat only in SA.

i remember in grade 8 and 9 when i said i liked evermore nobody had heard of them, but now when i ever mention evermore people in my grade are like eew evermore i hate them etc. and i hear grade eights and nines play light surrounding you on their stupid little phones at lunch (no offence to anyone in grade eight or nine but they stole the place where we sat... and we were there first) i think their songs are too over played now days, i remember i used to be surpised when they appeared on tv but now you see them on rage or video hits every weekend!!!

LMAO! that is so funny as i am in the same situation! Little grade 8's sit in our spot and start yellping all lunch long about how horrified they are about getting needles! After they leave us alone we get the "skanks" of the school abusing us for money! whilst all of this is happening people try to tell me that evermore are homosexual!

THIS thread made me LOL, Kira what is this about sliced potato chips? and Fritz?

what grade are you?

i'm in grade 10
what grade did you think i was in?

probably 8

do i act like i'm in grade 8?

lol gotta remember the queenslanders go to school like a year earlier than other states

Should I answer that?

Yeah, Queenslanders are smarter *cough*. I'll have only just turned 17 when I finish grade 12. In most other states the finishing age is 18, am I right?
We have the Prep year now, though, so I think it's going to be more in line with the other states.

on friday this short grade eighter (i'm telling you he wouldn't be any higher than 4ft) come to me and asked me for $2!!! me being in a good mood i gave him 50c and then he asked me for $1.50!!! how ungrateful.

yeah thats how it is here and melb... but yeah i was 17 when i finished year 12 and so were a lot of other ppl.



lol he'll probly end up being taller than u... why are they asking for money anyway... thats kinda hmm lame.

Its a dilemma alright, you want to help, then you get knocked back cos they are ungrateful. Sadly some people can jade us.

"i gave him a dollar"
"she GAVE him a dollar"
"I thought he'd go away if I gave him a dollar."
"Well, of course he's not gonna go away, Mary! You give him a dollar, he's gonna assume you got more!"

I remember a man asked my friends for money but they were too scared by him and wouldn't say a word so I said we had nothing so he would leave.
I felt bad but the girls were really scared by it.

Anyone who asks me for money doesn't get it. I always offer them food and they don't want it, so I'm not giving them money to get food if they're really that hungry.

I like your style.

just make them do somethign to earn the dollar or whatever

i was short 50 cents to get a kebab a few days ago so my friend made me do 20 starjumps in the shop accompanied by appropriate sounds

fair trade

i was at hungry jack's with a friend once and this guy was going around asking for money, telling every person that he was so poor and he just needed 50c more or whatever to afford his meal blah blah blah, even after he had gotten his 50c from other people. to make things even better, as he was waiting in the queue, with his what-looked-like-brand-new nikes and clothing, his mobile phone rang and the conversation went something like "yeah, i'm getting the money now, don't call me!"

That really sucks. It really puts you off trying to help people. A person was begging for money for food, so I gave him my lunch, he just threw it back at me, what a put off, hey the money's usually for drugs or alcohol anyway!

if they're really too poor to afford drugs/alcohol, surely they'd appreciate a free lunch? not as much as money for the drugs/alcohol, but still..

Alas drugies and alcos don't eat much. The winos in Auckland these day's are a bit more honest and will hold up banners asking "money for booze"!

there's a bum on george street who finds hungry jacks cups and goes and gets free refills lol.

We were talking about this today on the bus.
My friend's mum was asked for money for food. She had none so she offered the man her pie and he refused it.
Gosh.

Crafty! A mixer for the meths!

i believe you should...
i'm only going to be 16 when i leave school

That's kinda cool.
My friend was born on New Years Day, 1992, and she's in my grade. So she only just turned 15 at the start of this year, and she'll be 16 when she finishes too.

it's going to be really weird as i won't be at the legal age untill my second year of uni!

Don't call them bums. They're people too, and there's a reason they ended up the way they have. Have some emphathy.
Haven't you ever heard the lazyboy song?